I just thought it would be a good topic. Nothing in particular but figured there was enough experience with various optics to make for a interesting thread.

over the next couple months i'll be looking at eyeglasses, scopes, maybe binoculars or something similar. I don't have much experience with very many products so I'm probably more questions than input but still would like to read some of you guys thoughts on the topic.
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One I really like (and have on my AR) is actually an Air rifle scope. It's a beeman ss4. It's rated for full automatic fire so I figure it should work fine on my AR, and is fact has. Oh it also has a lighted cross hairs.

I've had a lot of different optics. From memory some of my budget scopes have included:

Fixed and Variable Power Bushnell's
Fixed and Variable Power Tasco's

From memory some of the higher end scopes have included...

(2) Aimpoint ML2's
(3) Burris Fullfield 2 Ballistiplex
(2) EoTech 511's
(1) EoTech 512
(1) EoTech 516
(1) EoTech 517
(2) EoTech 553's
(1) EoTech 556
(1) EoTech 557
(Bunch) Leupold Vari-XII
(Couple) Leupold Vari-XIIc
(Couple) Leupold Vari-XIII
(Couple) Leupold VXII
(1) Leupold VXII Scout
(Couple) Leupold VX2
(1) Leupold VX3
(1) Leupold Mark 4
(1) Trijicon ACOG TA01
(2) Trijicon ACOG TA01NSN
(1) Trijicon ACOG TA33
(1) Trijicon ACOG TA50
(1) Trijicon Accupoint TR21R
(1) Trijicon Accupoint TR24G
(2) Trijicon Reflex

My general comments and feelings:

1) Burris glass is at least as clear as comparably priced Leupold glass.
2) Leupold scopes are more durable.
3) Higher end Leupold variable power scopes are my favorite variable power traditional optics.
4) Old ACOG designs have very poor eye relief. I started using them in 1996, and they have come a long way.
5) The newer ACOG's (like my TA33) has better eye relief.
6) Batteries die at the worst possible moment.
7) For illuminated reticles I prefer tritium power with supplement light gathering tubes.
8) 1-4x is good out to 400 yards.
9) I like 12x for precision or over 400 yards.
10) The mount and/or rings are just as important as the scope. This is why I buy LaRue mounts (with or without integral rings) and Warne QD rings.

What do I have now?

I've sold everything that requires a battery.

I have:

(1) Leupold Vari-XIIc 3-9x40mm on a CZ452 in 22LR
(1) Leupold VXII 4-12x40mm AO on a CZ452 Varmint in 22WMR
(1) Leupold VX2 2-7x33mm on a Ruger 10/22
(1) Leupold Mark 4 4.5-14x40mm Side Focus LRT on a Colt LE901
(1) Trijicon Accupoint TR24G on a BCM MidLength HF M4
(1) Trijicon ACOG TA33 on a RA XCR-M

That's it.

that beeman scope is interesting. saw a few ss2 on ebay but not much info about them on the web. sounds like a oldie but goodie.

currently i have 3 firearms i want to put optics. all of my rfiles have iron sights so it's no rush to scope them. as much as I would like to be proficient with irons i want the low light advantage and the ability to get the most out of each caliber. last deer season my irons diappeared but i think there was still plenty of light for a scope. so i've been thinking about a 1-4 red dot for my AK, 2-7 illuminated for my cz527, and a 3-9 or 4-12 for my m1a scout.

usually i'm okay with spending a little extra to get the right items but for some reason I keep wanting to cheap out on optics. but I could probably sell the guitar i may never play and buy all the optics gear i want. so lately i guess ive been trying to figure out who is the scrapyard or optics... wonder if the big dog needs a new project? lol!

i also wear eyeglasses and i'm pretty much worthless without them. when it comes to shtf i know i need at least one set of rugged eyeglasses. looks can really be deceiving and prices are all over the place whenit comes to eyeglasses. may have to consider something that will allow me have extra frames rather than dump a lot of money into a single pair.

and then there's binoculars. i don't think I'll look for anything fancy here. just a decent pair to give me an advantage on my surrounding.

In looking at glass for a ruger GSR. What would you recommend arch?
I saw leupold makes a 30mm tube scout scope that is 1.5-5 power and is part if their vx-r line. Asked and they will add their cds dial system for another 90

I want something that I can use for low light close work or in. Pinch I can take advantage of the .308 round to reach out and nail a varmint

In rifle optics I am always hard pressed to go past a Leupold of some description. Just depends on what your needs are to see what will fit, at present I think I have sitting in the safe or on a rifle the following Leupolds...

Rimfire 4x
Vari-X II 2-7
Vari-X II 2-7 compact
Vari-X III 1.5-5
Vari-X III 3.5-10
VXIII 3.5-10
VXIII 2.5-8
Vari-X III 6.5-20
plus a straight 6x and maybe an 8x in the back of the safe.

I also have an ACOG TA01(from 1992) that I am very partial to.

My Kahles ZF69 6x is some really really sharp glass....!!!!!

I like to try out newer companies usually as long as they are decent.
I am running a vortex strike fire on my piston AR, I will be getting the two red dots from lucid (HD7 and M7) and selling the one I like the least or maybe both.
I run a Nikon 3-9 50mm on my 308 bolt and will be trying Lucids 6x24 50mm next I really like high magnification on my bolts.
I also have a Nikon on my Remington 597 22lr.
I have always had good luck with Nikons.
I would like to try out the vortex line of high power rifle scopes also.

oh and Lazi look at Wiley X glasses mine made it through a year in Afghanistan pretty much unscathed and they are modular so you can have spare parts.

I am an optometrist, so ask away when it comes to glasses.

What is your lens power? And roughly how old are you?

Or get laser correction done, best thing I have ever done. ever.

I have had my eyes done too, and it has been great.
The company I work for also do surgery.

However laser corrective surgery is not for everyone, and it is not a permanent solution.
Some way along the line you will need some form of correction again. That being surgery again, reading glasses, bifocals or contacts.

And some people simply does not like the thought of eyesurgery...

way too blind for 38 years old is all I know. i never paid any attention to my prescription and I currently need to go get my eyes checked. just been putting if off since i really don't have a set plan for purchasing new glasses. i'm not like legally blind or crippled blind but i wouldnt try to drive home if I lost my glasses. figure that's a big enough a problem that I should look for some well built glasses.

i do plan to have the surgery done some time in the next couple of years. both my sisters did it and seem to be fine. but really i'm fine with wearing glasses and even if I had the surgery i'd probably still wear wear something like anti glare glasses or something just because I'm so used to it.

I'd stay with Leupold fixed power IER Scout Scope. The GSR isn't capable of great accuracy (16" Ruger barrel with a muzzle break and non-free floating stock = 2.5 MOA from field positions. You might do better with a high magnification scope from the bench, but the GSR is a "field gun" not a "bench gun") and the fixed scope is FAST. That's the entire point of a scout optic. You get some magnification to aid with precision, but you also have a fast scope for moving targets.

The Germans used low powered scopes mounted in the scout position on their 98k's as sniper rifles during WW2. For "shoot and move" this is a good set up. Obviously if you want to "snipe" or shoot long range precision you need a different rifle and traditional higher power optic.

Short answer: Leupold fixed power scout in QD rings. You want to be able to pull it off fast.

Based upon this comment, a Trijicon Accupoint in 1-4x would be ideal, but it is a PIG (heavy and big). It also cost $800.

I do like the trijicon. I will have to save for a while though

I wish someone would step up and make a trijicon fighter maybe we would see them come down in price, but as far as I can see they are the only low power battle rifle scope worth anything out there. I mean look at some of the great red dots that have come out to fight with eotech.

A word of advice is: Always have a back-up pair of glasses. Especially when away from home or out in the nature.
When and if you go for surgery, remember to think in presbyopia, which is around the corner, at your age. And I am pretty sure you won't find the need for any kind of antiglare glasses. It is the lens itself that produces reflexes. Sunglasses however is ALWAYS a good idea.

As for a frame for new glasses now; go for a full frame and preferably titanium. That way you should be good. And then, do not try to save money on lens quality. It is not worth it.

I agree greaser. Vortex would be a good contender to duke it out with trijicon if they made the right product

thanks, been looking at these pretty hard. looks like the way to go.

i usually end up getting as good a lens as I can without the overkill. but the frames have all been off the rack frames whatever place i end up. I've always known they were looks more than anything.

hadn't thought about titinum frames. i will certainly look at these for "stylish" pair of glasses. thanks for the advice.

Ok, I've settled on the Burris Fastfire III red dot reflex sight for my Shotgun. BUT I am wondering about something.

Considering this will not be a hunting shotgun, should I get the 8moa dot sight or the 3 moa dot one?

Consider the fact that this will in all probability be a 50 yard maximum weapon (probably 25 yards 99.999999999 percent of the time, and HOPEFULLY only on the range).

So, 8moa dot or 3 or 4 moa dot?

got a used burris fullfield ii for $20. looking like a good scope. i haven't shot it yet i'm becoming a burris fan. big ole "Made in USA" on the scope and it seems to be built well. i called burris to order some turret caps thinking maybe a few bucks. the customer service guy was excellent! grabbed a few caps for different scopes (since i explain the top turret seem to need a bigger cap) and said he would send them right out. I asked how much for lens covers for that particular scope. he said he would grab some and send those with everything.

Burris also has what the call a "forever warranty".

Forever Warranty – Protects Burris products from any defects in materials or workmanship — even if you are not the original owner. Burris will, at our option, repair or replace the item at no charge.



so while i was at it i called another company to ask about some turret caps i was missing. $5.50 for EACH cap and $5.50 shipping. granted these are unique "raised" caps but that's a bit steep for one cap and at the least the shipping cost was pretty steep imo.

Nice I may just have to pull the trigger on getting a couple of there optics I have been eyeing up.

No batteries, low profile, low light capable.

Sort of similar to a red dot sight:

http://seeallopensight.com/

That looks like a nice addition to my lever action.

it does look interesting.

that would probably work for my shotgun.

I don't shoot as much as I used to but if you can fit a big objective lens on your rifle, that is the way to go for low light, IMO. I prefer zooms so that I can use low powers at dusk and high-power at long range.

I have found nice glass in Nikon, Leupold and Swarovski consistently. I have found some bargains from old model Bushnell and Tasco, too. I went out on a limb and bought an SWFA Super Sniper about ten years ago. One of the clearest scopes I had ever handled.

Just waiting at home patiently for the courier to deliver a new (to me ) Leupold MKIV 6.5-20x50 for my SSG... I was going for a Nightforce but when I laid it all out and measured the Nightforce was not going to fit and I found the secondhand Leupy at a pretty good price.

How are the nightforce scopes? I havent heard good or bad about them yet.

They are brilliant, and I will have one on my next project I suspect, the only viable contender for my SSG just would not fit sadly.

Good to hear I have been looking at there stuff and I like what I see but no where to get hands on around here.

Is vortex even in the running?

I use there strike fire on my AR and have had zero issues with it and I do like it. As far as long gun scopes I havent tried them but they do appear to have the QC down so I dont see the harm in checking them out.

i put a leatherwood hi-lux ler 2-7x32 scope on my scout. ehh... works fine and looks fine so far. i think i need to see how i like the rifle with a regular scope on it. i just hate to give up the iron sights.

i also got my cz527 scoped. i put the $20 used burris 3-9x40 on there and while it looks big on the rifle it works pretty good. i put it on with the quick detach rings i got from a JYD (thanks!!!) and it's makes for a great setup. i was hunting in what my family calls "the swamp" part of our property. lot's of brush and twisting paths across 40 acres with about four or five 50-150 yard clearings. i've seen quite a few deer on the paths into the swamp where irons sights work a whole lot better. i've had deer within 30 feet on me but when you get to the stands you may or may want to use the scope. being able to slap the scope on and know you still know you are hunting accurate keeps you in the game the whole time you are out there.

after rifle season is over i will probably get a burris e1 2-7x35. again i am just impressed but the scope but even more by what i'm reading and experienced with burris so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAlyahqiZiE&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Here is a video on the strike fire GD.

Finally got a lead on the perfect scope of my CZ. It's a discontinued Vortex 2-7x32. Supposed to be some really good glass in this thing. If it works out I may try to find one for my SLR-101.

http://www.vortexoptics.com/discontinued/vortex-viper-2-7x32-riflescope-versa-plex-c3-reticle


I guess once that's done I'll get a mount and stick the Burris 3-9x40 on my M1A. I didn't like the scout setup on this rifle. It could've worked but it just wasn't my thing. I will probably put the leatherwood on a mosin at a later date.

Earlier this year I sold all three if my Leupold Mk4 4.5-14 MilDot, three Trijicon TR24, one US Optics SN4, one Leupold VX3 1.75-6, and one Trijicon TA31 ACOG.

The Leupold's just weren't as clear as I wanted, the TR24s aren't strong enough to withstand SCAR17 recoil, and the USO was heavy and battery dependent.

I would recommend the ACOG and USO. I would like to try a NF, but have only looked thru some - haven't "used" one yet.

Are the scars rough on optics?

The Heavy is reputed to be.

Good to know. I was thinking about a leupold... Maybe vortex for the warranty would be a good choice.... Or just do it right and ACOG it

From what I have read, try a scope rated for full auto fire and or, believe it or not, an air rifle!

The air rifle comment is seemingly correct.

People claim the Scar has a "forward recoil impulse" similar to an air rifle. A $30 BB gun from WalMart will ruin a $1500 NF in short order.

Standard scopes are not built for forward g-forces.

Newer ACOGs are allegedly strong enough, but I've heard of at least one unsubstantiated claim where a Heavy broke a bottom end ACOG. I asked for proof, but none was proved and the claimant disappeared.

I wouldn't consider a traditional "hobby" scope on a Scar-17. I would only consider:

- US Optics
- New production ACOG
- Night Force

In that order.

I have had a Beeman SS4 air rifle scope on my colt AR for about the last 15 years. I bought it originally for my RWS Diana 45 .177 tack driver/Skunk killing machine. I also got the lighted reticule module and it is sweet.

It would be ironic if a (relatively speaking) inexpensive air rifle scope could "withstand" the internet mythic recoil of a Scar17.

Haha, wouldn't that Blister the butts of some folks!

This what you ended up staying with?

just picked up the same CZ tonight, such a cool little gun! I'm real pleased...been lusting after one for a couple years now.

Missed the question or maybe sent a PM. Don't remember but yes that's what I got for my CZ527. I was just peeping through it today. All I can say is WOW!!!! This little scope is clear and bright! It's like somebody turned on some extra light or something. It's the right size and no bolt handle issues with the Warne high QR rings. A little heft to it but not too much to keep the whole package light. The Warne QR rings keep the irons as an option. The 2-7 magnification is great for the critters that want to snuggle up and plenty enough for the shy ones. At least for 7.62x39 and the places I hunt... And did I mention this scope is bright! I learned the hard way that the front post will disappear fast in shaded brush, on overcast days, and the sun apparently goes down really fast right when things are getting good. My other scopes will probably do fine but its like analog to digital when I compare them to this Viper. I can't wait to hit the woods this fall. I'm already shopping for deep freezers.

I haven't shot it yet but if it holds up I will be looking for another one or two. Since they are discontinued they aren't easy to find but they do pop up for $150-$200. Having compared other Vortex Viper scopes to other similar scopes in a few stores I can say I feel I made a really good buy at the higher end NUB. And everything I have read suggests the warranty is just shy of Busse kin.

Knew you were looking but didn't know you scored! Great! Where did you end up finding it?

Kept scanning RiverOfGuns and jumped on one. I ended up joining a forum I had been staying away from to snag it. Ended up with a NIB for $208 shipped. Nothing I have found in the $200 range has compared to this thing.

I feel like this purchae offset the cost of my CZ a bit.

http://muelleroptics.com/mu2732igr

Bought one of these NIB Mueller MultiShot 2-7x32 from a dealer at a gun show a couple weeks ago for $35. I don't know how this guy is selling a $150 scope for that price but he had a whole line of the Mueller scopes for stupid prices. I was skeptical so I only bought the MultiShot just to check out. I haven't mounted it and still haven't shot with it but for $35 you can't buy a scope like this anywhere. I'm almost convinced they had them priced wrong but he says they will be at the next show with them. I get that they are made in China but again $35???

Anyways... Other than the red dot revealing a haze inside the scope when at full power this scope seems to be on par with other made in China scope. I can't detect the haze when the power is off and up until about 8 or 9 settings on the red dot. The build quality is a little heavier than I expected but some manufacturers add useless weight to imply a quality product.

I will be mounting this one to my SLR-101 with some cheap rings on a Midwest Industries rail. It will probably see quite a few rounds through it but this is just for range time. I would prefer something I could have a little more confidence in and was planning to get a Leatherwood CMR762 on this rifle at some point. I wake also looking for a Vortex Viper for this rifle to use for hunting. But, if a $35 2-7x32 can get it done then I won't complain. The Mueller scopes have a "limited lifetime warranty" so if there's a problem I will hopefully have some coverage. But again I paid $35 for it.

At this point I will be at the next gun show to purchase a few more of these scopes to use on future projects. If they hold up I can see putting these on my 10/22, air rifles, and other "fun guns" and buddy rifles. Hopefully they hold up and surprise me but I don't know if I want a $35

That's awesome let us know how it holds up, if its just a range and sometimes hunting gun why not give it a try.

I have been wanting to try one of the 1x4x24s to see if I like them and this would be a great deal to start with if he had one.

http://muelleroptics.com/mueller-speed-shot-1-4x24

I've had a Mueller and got rid of it. Wasn't impressed. I just got a Weaver Super Slam and a Zeiss Conquest. Both very similar. Took the Weaver out for a spin tonight--works well at night with a green light. Both were about $300. eurooptics.com has or had the conquest. They've been discontinued and are being replaced by the Terra--stay away.

Leupold VXII on my Marlin 30-30 XLR. Bushnell 4200s on my 30-06s. Sightron SII rides on my Guide Gun. I've got a few others but those are all the ones I'm happiest with.

Just got this Redield Revolution 2x7 this morning for my 527 in 7.62x39...6-8 shots to sight it in and then these three at 75 yards with cheap herters soft points...I like!



I've been playing with the 2x magnification lens on my Vortex Strikefire and liked these results at 50 yards with my AR...crappy pic...was too bright to see! Ooooppsss...

Dang I'm digging the rifle

My strikefire is still good after almost 3 years and probably 5k rounds (I dont get to shoot as much as I would like ) For the cost I think they are hard to beat.

How many batteries?

Hmmmmm maybe a half dozen. They last long enough I forget when I put the last one in. Is it a trijicon no but it cost 1/10th the price and gives 75% of the performance.

Ok good to know!

Nice! That's actually the scope I started off looking at when I decided to scope my 527. Was the one I saw most recommended when I searched.

Are those the CZ rings?

You are correct!

Can't win...

The other night I looked through the Mueller while walking through a several rooms. When I walked into a fairly dim room the haze I was talking about washed over everything. It does this even at the lower settings. It did this at a point when you would really want the red dot feature the most. It was dim enough that irons and the scope reticle would be worthless and the dot would be ideal. While you could see the dot just fine as well as make out objects through the lens the lens was covered with a red haze that was worse in some areas. best I can explain is the lens looked "dirty" inside. Like there was a film covering the lens that was retracting the red light. It only got worse when the illumination got brighter.

Also... I just mounted my Vortex Viper and noticed the reticke was skewed. The vertical line is fine but apparently the horizontal line gets higher from left to right. I couldn't really tell at first but once I tried to center the scope it became fairly obvious. I also lined the reticle bars up with several 90 degree angles and it was more than obvious this scope has a problem I guess I could live with it but I'm not going to.


I guess I get to test the warranty with both of these companies next week. This has me a bit perturbed because I was really thinking about finally getting to the range tomorrow.

It really bugs me that companies would pawn this stuff off on consumers and even more so that (if they knew) people would sell this stuff to others. In going to stop here before I start ranting...

Oh and I did try to purchase another Mueller scope last weekend but they had swapped inventory. I was told they had more in stock but they never called me back. At the price I would've tried again hoping I got a dude. At this point I just want to know what Mueller has to say.

Surprised to hear that about vortex. All I've handle seem great!
I got to handle a bunch of trijicon glass and dots today. Sweet stuff!!!

That stinks on the Vortex, you put in your time hunting that. Hope the warranty treats you right!

That sucks sorry Lazi I know I have talked up Vortex in the past and mine is still a good scope I hope the warranty process redeems them.

Yep hope the company stands behind the product

Okay, so an odd thing just happened. I mounted an old Burris 3-9x32 to an old Marlin 30/30 and when I went to level it out I noticed the reticle was skewed.

So yes, you are probably thinking the same thing I am thinking. It's my eyeball! Well not really. It appears my glasses are causing the reticle to appear skewed. I guess I just haven't noticed this since these are fairly new glasses and when I look through scopes most times they aren't mounted and I'm not attempting to level the reticle.

So I guess I can take back the comments on the Vortex Viper 2-7x32. I just wished I had figure this out before taking it out the rings earlier today. I had it mounted perfectly!

I guess I will start looking into some eyeglasses more suited to shooting.

...And while I like the Warne rings they are a pain to mount. You have to have your scope and all your screws in place before you place them on the rifle. Once everything is on the scope you line everything up on the rifle. You really wouldn't want to get into swapping a bunch of scopes with these rings. I plan to mount this viper and never take it out of these rings again.

Ok good to hear its you and not that quality optic. LOL
Good luck with the remounting.

Cool. Glad you figured that out. So being I'm picking up a ruger single six hunter what mini red dot could be had that would mount to that rail?

Lazi,

I had the same issue with my old glasses, in particular my BCGs always made the front sight post on my rifles look crooked.

I think I have the same problem, to a much lesser degree, with my ICLs, but I think that's due to eye pressure changes when I go to the extreme edges of my eye motion.

(for those who were unaware, I am the bionic man, technically... more info here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implantable_Collamer_Lens)

GD,

Since we're on the subject of Vortex optics, haha. I just picked up a SPARC II for 200$, very VERY happy with it. I'd throw that one in the running for sure.

I know it mounts on a 1913 rail but I'm thinking ruger uses some type of weaver rail. Can't find much about it though.

Oh, I see, I hadn't gotten eyes on the specific pistol you were talking about yet. Ruger should sell proprietary rings for that. I imagine if you stretch your Google Fu, you might be able to track down a picatinny adapter for it :\

*edit* BAM! http://www.brownells.com/optics-mou...er-to-weaver-base-adapters-prod1721.aspx

I don't know about the strength of using just one of those mounts with a SPARC though. The SPARC II is light, but it's not ittey bitty like a DR Optic. That much mass flopping around on top just doesn't seem like a good idea, .22 or not. In that case I would recommend a Burris Fastfire II or III for best results. I could be wrong though, I don't have personal experience with it sooo...

But since it doesn't have a Pic rail without adding a bunch of stuff, I'd say search for an older model aimpoint maybe? The older versions (Comp M2 Gen and earlier) in their hunter variations use two 30mm rings, so that may work.

Here's a one piece mount as well. http://www.opticsplanet.com/ruger-to-weaver-adapters.html

(this is what I do when I'm bored at work is research toys all day, haha...)

Your advanced google skills are impressive sir!

T&E fast fire may also be a good dot for it. I'm not sure yet what I will do. It will be a while before I have the funds to do anything.

hopefully not too long. The good news is the Burris usually runs pretty inexpensively

Finishing my ar build and picking up the single six takes all fun money for a long time lol

haha, I hear that. Then there's that other expensive hobby that is the yard...

Man I honestly can't think of any kin id get. I've got more than I need now!!! Lol

I got to look at a vortex viper pst tactical FFP 2.5-10x32 that cross hair is really fine below 4x

Sounds like an interesting optic. I'd take one in SFP for my Candace (My M14). She could use a better piece of glass than the crap I have on it right now...

It was around $799. My only issue is I've done some night shooting and a visible illuminated recticle is a MUST... I'm worried about an optic that requires batteries.
Running out in SHTF would not be good. So for low light it would need paired with a trijicon RMR. With mean more money. Makes me wonder if trijicon will custom make one of their 2.5-10 models with tactical turrets.

Trijicon won't, but there's always a market somewhere.

http://kentonindustries.com/custom-turrets/trijicon-accupoint

I scare myself some times...

Wow that was fast. The pics look exposed though. Not like a factory balistic turret.

An ACOG with RMR would kick ars but that's more than the rifle!

haha, yeah... I saw Trijicon's newest high power optical offering for long range rifles. I drooled until I saw the pricetag. just a hair over 4500$

What could I possibly mount that on that I could afford to shoot?

You piqued my curiosity about the upgraded turret knobs. I knew I had seen something else before. Turns out Stoney Point USED to make an upgrade knob that kinda fit the bill, but it's been discontinued. It looks like the kenton industries offering is the only option for upgrading knobs on that model Accupoint.

The 5-20x comes with target knobs though, but that's probably a lot more glass than you need for your purposes?

Same thing I thought when I saw it. Everything else was pretty nice. Well not the price tag...

5-20 seems like to much... But paired up with a rmr... Would be as much as the ACOG pair.... Idk what to do. It's a 20in 410SS 1/8twist 556 match chamber BCM SAM-R barrel. So how do I balance speed with long range. I'd get the vortex hands down if that recticle wouldn't be useless in low/no light shooting. And I'm not depending on batteries. Maybe I should get the cheaper 2fp model and then get accupoint to swap on and off. Idk

I don't think you'd ever exercise that 20x on a 5.56 rifle :\ IMO, you'd be better off running an ACOG (any model will do, doesn't have to be an NSN model) and a smaller MRD on an offset.

Another option: Have you ever heard of the Bindon Aiming Concept? It seems to be a trick that a lot of people haven't even heard of, despite the ACOG being designed to take advantage of it. The concept is while looking through an illuminated reticle magnified optic (it IS possible with a high magnification scope, but works best around 4x) with both eyes open, focusing on your target just like with a red dot, the illuminated reticle will float in your field of view superimposed over the target, in much the same fashion as a red dot functions. The image through the optic will blur out and fade, but the reticle will still appear as a bright spot. It's not AS quick as a red dot, but I've used it while airsofting (with a NCStar cheapy 4x light up reticle) and had a great deal of success with it. The main difference is a magnified optic won't be parallax free, so accuracy at more than 20-30 yards will require actually sighting through the optic and focusing your eye. But for bad breath distances, it's more than adequate, and can be very fast.

Due to eye surgery as a child my optic nerve didn't fully developed in my left eye. So the BAC doesn't work. A family member has two acogs and as much as I like them for shooting at CQB distances all they are to me vision is a 4x scope.

ah, that's a bummer. Well, if you go the route of an MRD, the Burris Fastfire (all three series of them) only run about 300$ max from what I've seen. They're also tough as nails, from what I've heard. I'm sure there are options out there that suit a budget and will still give you the performance you need.

Yep. I will get what I want eventually.

Compared a leupold mk4 3.5-10 to the vortex viper pst 2.5-10-32 FFp.

While the leopuld had better glass it was a sfp model with no illumination. It was $1200 and heavy as a brick compared to the vortex.

I'm thinking the vortex will get the nod when the time comes.

I'm leaning towards a Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x44 going on the SCAR at some point.

The whole FFP thing sounds and looked cool but I don't think it's something I'd really care about at lower magnifications anyways. But I like the MRAD reticle and the illumination. 2.5 is would be fine for the short hunting distances I'd be looking at and 10x would be made than enough to play around with.

Either scope is a real bargin!

So I ended up deciding that the Vortex Viper 2-7x32 (not a PST) belongs on the SCAR. Just too perfect of a fit. So I ended up getting a really good deal on a 1" Warne RAMP mount. Just stuck it on there to look at it. It's good to go.

But here's a real kicker... Running some errands for my aunt today I end up in a shop looking at something that I almost didn't even touch. But I figured I would ask about it and take a look through it. Crazy! So I ask the guy and he gave me a price that I couldn't believe. I'm talking about a NIB Swarovski Z6 2.5-15x56...

Yup...

Please don't ask me how I went from a Mueller to a Swarovski in just over 2 months. I have a $8 NCStar sitting on the table I thought wasn't all that bad. So yes, I'm way out of my league with this one. But, eh... We will just have to see how this plays out. Lol...

lol, look at the bright side, Lazi, the optic STILL didn't cost more than the rifle...

so you're not violating any guidelines

Hahaha I didn't know there were any with optics. Except buy the best you can afford...

lol, I was always told never to buy an optic that cost more than the rifle it was being mounted on, because the rifle probably couldn't perform up there with the optic. Nowadays, with almost every factory rifle being guaranteed around 1 MOA, that guideline doesn't really apply anymore though. I wouldn't hesitate to mount a CounterSniper optic on my M14, or a Nightforce on a bone stock R700.

Now, mounting one of those optics on an AK... probably not gonna happen.

I'm liking my Vortex on the SCAR. It's the right size, right magnification, and I won't be crying if I ding it up since it's not worth more than my car. If the recoil beats it up I'm hoping that the Vortex warranty that I hear so much about has me covered. With the Warne mount things are nice and simple but still enough "tacticool" to do the SCAR justice.

I'm actually thinking about buying a rifle to go with the optic for the Swarvorski. I've gone around and around about whether or not I should get a CZ UHR but it's always come down to what scope would I put on it. I didn't expect to get into any of the high end scopes any time soon and I'm still hunting in the brush and woods so an investment into long range shooting wasn't much of a priority. Most of that stuff I considered out of my league. But the stars may align and I think this is the perfect scope for that sort of rifle.

I also haven't ruled out just trading the Swarovski for something I would be willing to put on the SCAR. Its crossed my mind to get a Nightforce or USO and just swap out the Vortex from time to time. I would like to play with some of the cool reticles and illumination and stuff. But really I think the Vortex I already have will do just fine on there. There will also be another cool scope around so they won't be hard to come by. I doubt I'd bump into another Swarovski and not a top of the line one that I can afford. So I'm leaning towards something I can call the long range hunting set-up.

Is the scar 7.62x51? If so I would think about the Mossberg mvp in 7.62x51 I have the atr and it is a tack driver.

I had considered rifle a while back because it can take M1A magazines. But since my M1A is gone I think I'd rather have some thing that has a bit more of a track record.

Savage?

I think I'm a CZ fan. Everything I read about their rifles confirms that its hard to go wrong with one. I dont have enough particulars or preferences so I want something known to be pretty good right out the box. I keep coming back the CZ products. So, If not the UHR then probably the 550 Varmint in .308.

Also Austrian scope and a Czech rifle? Seems like it was meant to be.

Savage are hard to go wrong with also.

Posted in the wrong thread! Guess I better to to the Guns thread instead. But I HAVE been looking at different sights for my XDs already.

Anyone have a thought on an inexpensive red dot for my Browning Buckmark? Just got a rail for it.

I hear the bushnell TRS-25 is a good optic may be a bit large for the buckmark though perhaps the vortex sparc2.

my new glass for the AR just came in it sounds like it is the best coice for a 1-4 under 500 bucks. Bushnell 1-4x24 lighted BTR reticle first focal plane.

That scope looks good on that rifle. I actually really like the way the whole rifle looks. Good job!

JUST picked up a Burris Fullfield E1 2-7x35 to run atop the blackout pistol. Total cost: 148.50.