went with the 442... i have a really good dealer who would rather make sense than just sell you something. we looked at the usual stuff and then go to the airweights. i mentioned the grips and he offered to swap them out no charge. he then repeated that you cant go wrong with the S&W's the same as most have. i mentioned that i was wanting the M&P and he automatically went into the high price and said he would get me one if i wanted but even if i got the 442/642 it would retain it's value. he even mentioned that he would be happy to help me trade up down the line if i wanted to. so the deal was done. good guy and helpful salesman so i'm going to him from now on...