Maybe its because we're comparing two steels that are too similar...Maybe we try comparing two very dissimilar metals and see if folks are in agreement on the meaning of strength and toughness...then we can rule that out and move on to how the 2 busse steels compare...?

So I say lets compare Brass and 154CM. Pick which you think is tougher and which you think is stronger.

I say Brass is tougher and 154CM is stronger. Why? Because brass will take more of a beating without breaking. 154CM is stronger but if you start hitting on it with a hammer or banging it into harder material it will crack or break.

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