Exactly Paul- these Busse production knives are the best buy going for sure <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />!! As you know-I LOVE some other steels and treats ( 3V-S30V etc) - but for the buck- knives like the S5CG and LE are a real steal <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />. Grab em while you can. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" />