Hows about a 3-3 1/2 inch spear point blade (as measured from the point to the beginning of the handle), with there being a more arched belly and the spine being a little straighter but still with SOME arch to it with a 4 1/2 inch handle, well rounded for all day HARD use. Something like this wouldn't need to be more than 1/8 inch thick but with 3/16 inch not being to thick either. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbup.gif" alt="" /> I could mention the knife I have like this but it's in 420HC and I am not super impressed with it. Maybe the heat treat isn't just right. Other than the heat treat, I LIKE IT. Now if SY or SR would just make it, they would have 2 catagories of knife covered. No make that 3, forgot about the DF/SOD