I bought a Rolex submariner back in 1988 (it was bought by an AF Colonel I worked with new in 1984. Still runs real good. Oh I also (posted this a while back somewheres) have a Oyster date just built in either 1945 or 1955. Paid $50.00. Yes, Fifty dollars. Then spend another 450 to have it "refurbished". Runs like a brand new watch, but it is one you need to wind everyday. BTW, the submariner has been to over 100 feet 3 times and beat up on sunken ships, coral,etc. I love it!