Yes ECF, the Rohrbaugh is pricey , even more than projected price on the Boberg. $1000 for a 9mm only a bit larger than an LCP. I was going to get a Sig P238, until I held one of the Rohrbaghs in my hand. 9mm power in a true pocket gun sold me. I haven't got into black rifles yet so I figured I better get one now.