trolls 4-8 feet off the bank. can just about poke him with my if I want to at times. with the rain he was right by a log i could put my foot and stand inchs above him. he's going to mess around and show up one day when I desperate to catch something.

just going down the list of ways to get him... net, spear, club, rock, etc... may have to lash up the jack hammer to a stick and dive in after him.

think I will try a dough bait first. never hurts to learn something new.