I hear you, I meant compare as in " if I was going to do a side by side comparison write up, I would choose to do it more with a Hinderer than a para 2 or ZT" I'm really just going by feel, both the Southard and the Hinderers that I handled, feel extremely refined, well designed and well put together, yet still bomb proof, kind of like a luxury car you could take off roading. At least that was my feeling